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Pete Doherty dropped from festival line-up

11:28am Tuesday 19th August 2008

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By Nigel Kerton »

Police have persuaded magistrates to ban a concert by rocker Pete Doherty's band Babyshambles fearing there could be public disorder.

The group was to have been the headline act of the opening night of the three-day Moonfest rock festival at Westbury on Friday.

But at the end of an all-day test case yesterday, North Wiltshire Magistrates supported the police application to cancel the show.

It's believed it was the first time police anywhere in the country had used Section 160 of the Licensing Act (2003) to get a performance stopped.

While officers objected to Friday's line-up because of fears over crowd control, they made no application for Saturday and Sunday.

Both police and the Moonfest organiser John Green were represented in court by barristers.

Doherty, who lives in Savernake Forest in a house once rented by supermodel Jodie Kidd, did not appear in court.

Supt Paul Williams was in court for the police and he told the Gazette that West Wiltshire District Council had acted quite properly in issuing a licence for the three-day event.

However, said Supt Williams, after scrutinising the safety arrangements police were unhappy at the level of crowd control and number of stewards the organisers proposed.

They were concerned over the Babyshambles concert, said the superintendent, because there had been problems when Pete Doherty gave a solo performance in July at the Royal Albert Hall.

"It is very unusual for the Royal Albert Hall to have to request police assistance, which on that occasion they did," he said.

Supt Williams added: "He (Doherty) just whipped up the crowd and there was disorder."

Ch Supt Julian Kirby, the divisional commander, said: "We became concerned because the organiser did not appear to have due cognisance of all the risks.

"We carried out an analysis of what Pete Doherty and his band does.

"What he does as part of his routine is to gee up the crowd.

"They speed up and then slow down the music and create a whirlpool effect in the crowd.

"They (the crowd) all get geed up and then they start fighting."

Supt Williams said the organisers told the court they had only 10 licensed stewards available and claimed that only 150 of the 5,000 tickets had been sold for Friday's show.

Normally police insist on one steward for every 100 participants.

He said police took the view that if the weather turned out to be fine there could have been a rush for tickets and that the 10 stewards would have been inadequate to cope with any public order situation.

"You are talking of as many as 5,000 people in what is effectively an open field," said the superintendent.

Police said Mr Green had been very cooperative in seeking general advice over the Moonfest but had been unable to satisfy their fears over "the potential for disorder".

Mr Green told the Gazette he was "extremely disappointed" at the police action and the court's decision.


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The Maxter, Chippenham says...
12:30pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Ahh the weekly Pete Doherty story! - in this instance, I think the police intervention was diabolical. Freedom - I dont think so.

Don, Devizes says...
12:33pm Tue 19 Aug 08

I think you'll find that the police acted perfectly reasonably. All they did was enforce the provisions of the We don't like your face, Sunshine, so keep on moving Act of 1955.

The Maxter, Chippenham says...
12:43pm Tue 19 Aug 08

I think SupInt Williams was just looking keeping his bank holiday overtime budget down...

rosco, Chippenham says...
12:47pm Tue 19 Aug 08

The Maxter wrote:
Ahh the weekly Pete Doherty story! - in this instance, I think the police intervention was diabolical. Freedom - I dont think so.
Yes, but 10 stewards for up to 5000 people?! That'd been probably enough to man the exits and the toilets only, and then just barely.

The Maxter, Chippenham says...
12:49pm Tue 19 Aug 08

He hadn't sold 5000 tickets.... And 4 policeman on duty at night for 1 county seems perfectly acceptable to the police!

Philippa, Devizes says...
12:55pm Tue 19 Aug 08

And of course the headline is wrong. The reason the festival isn't going ahead isn't that Doherty has been banned.....

SN10, Devizes says...
1:36pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Don wrote:
I think you'll find that the police acted perfectly reasonably. All they did was enforce the provisions of the We don't like your face, Sunshine, so keep on moving Act of 1955.
Now I've learnt where the summer sunshine has gone. Moved on by the Police. As for Moonfest "who cares"

Puzzled, MELKSHAM, WILTSHIRE says...
3:07pm Tue 19 Aug 08

I just cannot understand why this bloke Doherty is still getting an airing. You don't honestly think that he would turn up anyway even if Babyshambles weren't banned.
He's just another 'crack-head' who keeps getting a second chance!!

joeydubya, leics says...
4:01pm Tue 19 Aug 08

The attitude of Wiltshire residents towards this festival and the Chippenham Festival, as indicated on this website, is nothing short of a disgrace. It seems the efforts of a minority to bring some culture to the region are constantly sneered at and undermined by the all too knowing public. Admittedly, some of the measures needed are overlooked, and regrettably things get cancelled... mostly because of a fairly apathetic response by the general public who will later whine about how there is nothing to do in their town. It's the same set that will deride Doherty but will still fondly hold the standard of the Stones and Beatles in high regard despite their documented drug use over the years. Get an opinion of your own and stop regurgitating what someone down the pub thinks. Perhaps if you were more encouraging of culture you wouldn't be so ignorant. I write this as a co-director of a theatre company that have just finished a run at the Etcetera theatre in Camden, both of us whom are former Wiltshire lads, who would love to bring our work to the region but the scathing dismissal is so offputting... what would the point be?

Puzzled, MELKSHAM, WILTSHIRE says...
4:21pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Just because there are a few scathing comments about Doherty it doesn't mean that we have the same opinion of other artists.
I get a little peed off when I hear about Doherty not turning up at venues, i.e. when he was invited to be a judge on 'Battle of the Bands' so get off your soap box 'joeydubya'.
How on eath can you mention the Stones and Beatles in the same breath as 'Babyshambles'.
You sound like a real pr*t!

clarence81, Chippenham says...
4:50pm Tue 19 Aug 08

I have been to a few Baby shambles gigs & he turned up to them and played brilliantly (with no trouble in the crowd & he was sober).

I also thought he was on the road to recovery...and as joey points out people have forgotten Elvis & the Beatles and their drug use. This maybe due to the modern ‘celebrity hungry public’ who want to know every detail of a famous person’s life & the press who believe it is their right to invade famous people’s lives. Im sure there were a lot worse things done in the 60’s & 70’s that were not made public knowledge!

joeydubya, leics says...
5:03pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Puzzled... you didn't read a word I said did you? My criticism isn't of Doherty, people are perfectly entitled to their varying opinions of his music and art. My criticism is the apathy and ignorance of the Wiltshire public. I can assure you his most feverent fans are even more displeased when he doesn't fulfil his commitments, no one would ever say 'oh it's so brilliant he never showed up!'. Yes, he has a history of cancelling dates but then again so does Morrissey, one of my favourites, the reasons for which are not drug related but due to his own neuroses. As for the Stones and Beatles, I was referring to them in context of known drug users who have made some of the most popular music of all time... I never drew any comparisons musically to them and Doherty, your speed reading did that on my behalf.

Philippa, Devizes says...
5:30pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Wiltshire people are hardly apathetic to art. There are many festivals of all sorts around the county. However, what you may not appreciate is that the Gazette and Herald has an almost weekly story about Pete Doherty's antics - and they make him out to be constantly up to no good which he probably isn't - which people are fed up with. No more than that really

politepixie, hawkeridge says...
6:59pm Tue 19 Aug 08

well it strikes me that the Police and Magistrates have made themselves a nationwide laughingstock.
"you cant do this and you cant do that." This is the 21st century and police feel unable to control a docherty crowd .they certainly cant stops the drunks fighting in Westbury on saturday nights.The real filth that spews from Westbury is the cement chimney!

Old Bill, Wiltshire says...
7:36pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Baby Shambles. ( Definition).

The condition you would expect to see your wife in, having consumed 18 bottles of a popular drink with from the 1970s

Old Bill, Wiltshire says...
7:37pm Tue 19 Aug 08

Baby Shambles. ( Definition).

The condition you would expect to see your wife in, having consumed 18 bottles of a popular drink from the 1970s

pachyderm, says...
9:32pm Tue 19 Aug 08

because there had been problems when Pete Doherty gave a solo performance in July at the Royal Albert Hall.
That was due to the queue for the toilets.
We carried out an analysis of what Pete Doherty and his band does.
They try to play music, he trys to sing.
What he does as part of his routine is to gee up the crowd.
Hence the queue for toilets !

Chris, says...
1:53am Wed 20 Aug 08

Wiltshit Police: To Patronise and Annoy.

Maybe the organisers of Moonfest should retort with congnitive dissonance and re-promote the event as a benefit concert for one-legged black muslim transgendered pensioners.

That would confuse the police royally.

shed, vale of pewsey says...
9:46am Wed 20 Aug 08

DOHERTY????????
CULTURE???????
THERES TWO WORDS YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE IN THE SAME SENTANCE.

shed, vale of pewsey says...
9:46am Wed 20 Aug 08

DOHERTY????????
CULTURE???????
THERES TWO WORDS YOU DON'T OFTEN SEE IN THE SAME SENTANCE.

Jane, Chippenham says...
10:48am Wed 20 Aug 08

"They (the crowd) all get geed up and then they start fighting


I believe the term Supt Williams is looking for is "moshing", I have been to lots of gigs where this happens and the police don't get called; the safety stewards don't even do anything about it. I just think this is Wilts police overreacting.

It's a shame that the festival didn't have proper measures in place for safety stewards,and that they hadn't sold more tickets as not everybody is into Folk Festival music or Crimestoppers event at Bowood.

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